1 2015-05-07 03:42:20 <phantomcircuit> hmm
2 2015-05-07 03:42:37 <phantomcircuit> make check should probably fail when fScriptChecks is unconditionally false
3 2015-05-07 04:41:44 <StephenM347> gmaxwell: (or anyone) I was thinking about SIGHASH_NORMALIZED_TXID. Did you understand the proposed implementation to actually list the normalized TXID in the input, or to list the standard TXID in the input but serialize the normalized version for signing?
4 2015-05-07 04:42:19 <sipa> listing the normalized txid in the input would be a hard fork
5 2015-05-07 04:42:34 <sipa> it would otherwise be a pretty awesome option
6 2015-05-07 04:45:09 <StephenM347> sipa: makes sense, I'll assume the proposed implementation was opting for the second version then
7 2015-05-07 04:45:57 <Luke-Jr> yeah, just for signing (I still think it should use scriptPubKey hash rather than txid:index, though :P)
8 2015-05-07 04:47:42 <sipa> StephenM347: the other alternative means adding 32 bytes to every unspent transaction in the UTXO set
9 2015-05-07 04:47:49 <sipa> (which may be a reasonable compromise)
10 2015-05-07 07:07:26 <vertoe> does anyone have gitian scripts for bitcoin 0.8 for mac builds?
11 2015-05-07 07:18:51 <rodmar> hi
12 2015-05-07 07:19:08 <rodmar> has anyone used pycoin with a custom OP RETURN?
13 2015-05-07 07:19:59 <rodmar> I am not sure of the encoding I should use when passing a string to script argument of TxOut
14 2015-05-07 07:20:32 <fanquake> vertoe mac gitian builds only started in 0.9.2.
15 2015-05-07 07:21:06 <vertoe> fanquake: yes i noticed, do you think it's posisble to backport the script to work with bitcoin 0.8.x?
16 2015-05-07 07:21:29 <vertoe> or were there any attempts yet?
17 2015-05-07 07:22:23 <fanquake> vertoe fairly certain you wouldn't be able to back port. What do you want to do it for?
18 2015-05-07 07:22:48 <fanquake> There have been a multitude of changes to the build system since 0.8.x
19 2015-05-07 07:23:21 <fanquake> depends system, autotools etc
20 2015-05-07 07:25:07 <vertoe> i know the changes to the build system. if that's the only changes i think its possible. i just have no idea about mac mechanics, but if i take the mac gitian descriptors from 0.9 and adapt the dependencies and build process from 0.8 it should work, shouldnt it?
21 2015-05-07 07:25:30 <vertoe> i'm trying to setup gitian for a friend's altcoin which is based on a really old bitcoin fork.
22 2015-05-07 07:32:08 <sipa> vertoe: good luck then
23 2015-05-07 07:33:04 <vertoe> thanks :-)
24 2015-05-07 08:04:19 <jonasschnelli> cfields or anyone: is https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/Makefile.am#L24 relevant? Not all languages we have under qt/local are listed there
25 2015-05-07 08:14:12 <vertoe> just noticed darkcoin has mac os gitian descriptors for a 0.8 based branch
26 2015-05-07 08:57:29 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5958 should be ready
27 2015-05-07 09:07:48 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: thanks
28 2015-05-07 09:20:35 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: regarding your transiflex update script: i saw that it pull in every language even those with 0% completeness. What about changing it to only included languages where we have at least 50% (or even more) coverage?
29 2015-05-07 09:25:27 <wumpus> my script makes no decision on what languages to include
30 2015-05-07 09:25:45 <wumpus> it downloads all of them, sure, but it's up to the dev to add them to the build system and resource files
31 2015-05-07 09:25:49 <wumpus> (and check into git)
32 2015-05-07 09:26:06 <wumpus> if you feel some languages have disappointing coverage, feel free to remove them
33 2015-05-07 09:26:53 <wumpus> in any case it doesn't *hurt* to include a language with 0% coverage either. It's just a no-op, will fall back to English on every message.
34 2015-05-07 09:27:10 <jonasschnelli> Ah right. I think we don't need a min coverage.
35 2015-05-07 09:27:23 <jonasschnelli> I just saw that most languages are missing in the osx app bundle
36 2015-05-07 09:27:45 <jonasschnelli> try to extend the script so it will append all languages to Makefile.am
37 2015-05-07 09:27:55 <jonasschnelli> *i try
38 2015-05-07 09:29:17 <wumpus> I've nuked a language file once (Austrian German IIRC), which was full of crappy "humorous" translations, but lack of coverage is not a problem, indeed
39 2015-05-07 09:30:52 <jonasschnelli> Ha. Humorous translations are hard to detect.
40 2015-05-07 09:31:04 <wumpus> well - users are quite effective at that :-)
41 2015-05-07 09:31:30 <jonasschnelli> :)
42 2015-05-07 09:31:57 <wumpus> there are only two language communities that have a review process in place, German (by Diapolo) and one other I don't immediately remember
43 2015-05-07 09:36:22 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: indeed
44 2015-05-07 09:36:55 <chmod755> wumpus, yep, it was Austrian German. Austrian German and German is mostly the same, unless you're talking about food.
45 2015-05-07 09:37:34 <jonasschnelli> hmm... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blame/master/src/Makefile.qt.include#L5 ... odd to do this maually
46 2015-05-07 09:42:46 <CodeShark> isn't austrian german more similar to bavarian german than bavarian german is to northern german?
47 2015-05-07 09:45:25 <vertoe> Is bavarian german even a serious translation?
48 2015-05-07 09:46:36 <CodeShark> I would imagine that so-called "standard german" would cover all major german dialects (speakers of these dialects would understand standard german)
49 2015-05-07 09:47:43 <chmod755> CodeShark, it's like british english vs american english
50 2015-05-07 09:47:52 <CodeShark> clearly bavarian german and northern german are politically closer than either is to austria...but my understanding is that austria is culturally more similar to bavaria than to northern germany
51 2015-05-07 09:49:36 <wumpus> a lot of people like to see things in their own dialect - even though they can perfectly read the neighbour's. But yes, it's not strictly necessary.
52 2015-05-07 09:49:46 <CodeShark> something to do with the austro-prussian war
53 2015-05-07 09:49:47 <CodeShark> something to do with the austro-prussian war
54 2015-05-07 09:49:56 <wumpus> issues like that, yes
55 2015-05-07 09:56:11 <sipa> i prefer reading things in english, as dutch translations almost always sound silly to me
56 2015-05-07 09:56:30 <sipa> and flemish ones even more so
57 2015-05-07 09:57:03 <CodeShark> dutch translations almost always sound silly to me too...but that's probably because I don't speak dutch :p
58 2015-05-07 09:57:41 <CodeShark> isn't flemish pretty much just a dialect of dutch?
59 2015-05-07 09:58:08 <sipa> yes, like british and american english
60 2015-05-07 09:58:43 <sipa> same spelling though, but different pronounciation, slightly different vocubulary and grammar
61 2015-05-07 09:58:57 <sipa> we understand eachother without problems :)
62 2015-05-07 09:59:22 <CodeShark> mutual intelligibility is the criterion that linguists usually prefer when distinguishing languages
63 2015-05-07 09:59:42 <CodeShark> there are only something like four or five major discernible north american english accents, I'd say - there are hundreds of english accents within a single city in england :p
64 2015-05-07 10:00:42 <wumpus> I also prefer user interfaces in English, but that's because I'm used to them. WHen I started using computers such a thing as internationalization was unheard of except for Japanese/Chinese.
65 2015-05-07 10:01:14 <CodeShark> english is the lingua franca of computing and will continue to be for the foreseeable future
66 2015-05-07 10:01:20 <wumpus> (and yes, Dutch and Flemish tends to sound somewhat silly :-)
67 2015-05-07 10:01:24 <CodeShark> lol
68 2015-05-07 10:01:44 <sipa> we had a book at university which translated inkjet printer driver literally
69 2015-05-07 10:01:51 <chmod755> lol
70 2015-05-07 10:01:54 <sipa> driver as in someone driving a car
71 2015-05-07 10:01:57 <CodeShark> heh
72 2015-05-07 10:01:59 <sipa> printer as in a press
73 2015-05-07 10:02:06 <sipa> inkjet as in beam of ink
74 2015-05-07 10:02:17 <sipa> inktstraaldrukkerbestuurder
75 2015-05-07 10:02:26 <CodeShark> lol
76 2015-05-07 10:02:28 <kinlo> zucht
77 2015-05-07 10:02:34 <chmod755> oh you mean a tintenstrahldruckerfahrer?
78 2015-05-07 10:02:44 <kinlo> waarom vertalen als het dat onverstaanbaar maakt :)
79 2015-05-07 10:04:07 <wumpus> but the Dutch tend to know English quite well, compared to inhabitants of some other European countries, so it's not a good example for the need of internationalization
80 2015-05-07 10:04:29 <sipa> chmod755: precisely
81 2015-05-07 10:04:34 <wumpus> lol sipa
82 2015-05-07 10:04:35 <kinlo> wumpus: people from our generation you mean
83 2015-05-07 10:04:39 <CodeShark> yes, the dutch speak english much better than their neighbors
84 2015-05-07 10:04:40 <kinlo> I've seen cases...
85 2015-05-07 10:04:41 <kinlo> I've seen cases...
86 2015-05-07 10:04:46 <CodeShark> well, the danish speak english ok
87 2015-05-07 10:04:56 <CodeShark> but the germans not so good and the french really not so good at all
88 2015-05-07 10:05:04 <CodeShark> the belgians ok
89 2015-05-07 10:05:05 <chmod755> sipa, i remember seeing 'Discover' (the credit card company) translated to 'Entdecke'
90 2015-05-07 10:05:05 <sipa> scandinavians tend to be cery good at english
91 2015-05-07 10:05:06 <wumpus> right
92 2015-05-07 10:05:07 <kinlo> I'm not certain our younger generation actually speaks english
93 2015-05-07 10:05:36 <sipa> CodeShark: french mostly can't hide their origins :)
94 2015-05-07 10:06:04 <wumpus> kinlo: I'm not so certain about that either
95 2015-05-07 10:06:41 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure anyone speaks english
96 2015-05-07 10:07:04 <CodeShark> the first time I was in europe I visited france, belgium, and the netherlands...in that order - and I remember the further I got away from france the better I could communicate with people :p
97 2015-05-07 10:07:29 <Diablo-D3> optimum distance: half way between paris and moscow
98 2015-05-07 10:07:32 <kinlo> CodeShark: but compared to france, everyone speaks english extreamly well
99 2015-05-07 10:08:01 <CodeShark> the spanish don't speak english that well either, but at least I speak spanish
100 2015-05-07 10:08:02 <Diablo-D3> hell, in france, the french cant even speak french well
101 2015-05-07 10:08:11 <kinlo> france has narrowminded people who assume that *everything* should be translated and that there shall be no other language then francais
102 2015-05-07 10:08:16 <Diablo-D3> HON HON HON TITTY CROSOANT
103 2015-05-07 10:08:39 <kinlo> in belgium we actually know that there are more languages in the world :)
104 2015-05-07 10:08:58 <chmod755> <Diablo-D3> optimum distance: half way between paris and moscow << Poland?
105 2015-05-07 10:09:24 <Diablo-D3> chmod755: fuck, really?
106 2015-05-07 10:09:36 <Diablo-D3> I was hoping more like austria
107 2015-05-07 10:09:49 <CodeShark> france also used to have more lingusitic diversity internally - in the south you had the occitan language
108 2015-05-07 10:10:00 <CodeShark> and catalan and basque
109 2015-05-07 10:10:04 <Diablo-D3> CodeShark: dude
110 2015-05-07 10:10:09 <Diablo-D3> look what the french did to canada
111 2015-05-07 10:10:41 <CodeShark> quebec?
112 2015-05-07 10:10:51 <Diablo-D3> well, yes
113 2015-05-07 10:10:55 <Diablo-D3> but I mean like
114 2015-05-07 10:11:00 <Diablo-D3> everything in canada has to be written in french
115 2015-05-07 10:11:12 <CodeShark> well, french is an official language of canada, yes
116 2015-05-07 10:11:18 <Diablo-D3> yes! why?!
117 2015-05-07 10:11:29 <Diablo-D3> french isnt even a real language!
118 2015-05-07 10:11:31 <sipa> #bitcoin-lamguageflamewars
119 2015-05-07 10:11:47 <Diablo-D3> the only reason we let france exist is to have food with our butter.
120 2015-05-07 10:11:49 <CodeShark> to prevent quebec from seceding
121 2015-05-07 10:11:52 <CodeShark> ?
122 2015-05-07 10:11:57 <Diablo-D3> I want quebec too
123 2015-05-07 10:12:05 <sipa> (just intrresting to see a language discussion here that is not about bashing c++ or java
124 2015-05-07 10:12:17 <CodeShark> yeah, it's better to bash the french
125 2015-05-07 10:12:20 <Diablo-D3> sipa: at least choose a language I like ;)
126 2015-05-07 10:12:50 <Diablo-D3> Seriously, even the french hate the french
127 2015-05-07 10:13:21 <Diablo-D3> <typical french> quebecos? psh, REAL FRANCE MASTER RACE
128 2015-05-07 10:13:29 <CodeShark> imagine if the french had invented high level programming languages - you'd have to type like ten characters and then the compiler would ignore all but the first two!
129 2015-05-07 10:13:30 <chmod755> Diablo-D3, i live in austria (south east). just checked the distance. paris: 1,268km (787 miles), moscow: 2,115km (1,314 miles)
130 2015-05-07 10:13:38 <Diablo-D3> chmod755: shit.
131 2015-05-07 10:13:44 <Diablo-D3> chmod755: I dont want to go to poland =/
132 2015-05-07 10:13:57 <sinetek> quebecer here
133 2015-05-07 10:13:59 <sipa> CodeShark: eiffel, ml
134 2015-05-07 10:14:01 <Diablo-D3> chmod755: not even to make vaguely anti-semetic comments to troll them but not get arrested
135 2015-05-07 10:14:10 <sinetek> stuff in quebec has to be written in french
136 2015-05-07 10:14:14 <sinetek> outside not really
137 2015-05-07 10:14:29 <CodeShark> sipa, also the very unfortunately named "coq"
138 2015-05-07 10:14:34 <Diablo-D3> sinetek: wheres toronto to you guys?
139 2015-05-07 10:15:35 <sinetek> also poland is great
140 2015-05-07 10:16:31 <sinetek> Diablo-D3: a bit to the west of ottawa?
141 2015-05-07 10:16:45 <Diablo-D3> sinetek: I dunno, I live in maine, and I still view canada as one solid object
142 2015-05-07 10:17:02 <sinetek> im quite apolitical tbh
143 2015-05-07 10:17:04 <Diablo-D3> with your "free health care" and your "personal rights" and your "actually pretty decent internet"
144 2015-05-07 10:17:10 <Diablo-D3> fuck that, at least I can own a private armory
145 2015-05-07 10:17:37 <sinetek> Diablo-D3: and the new shiny C-51 bill
146 2015-05-07 10:18:11 <Diablo-D3> sinetek: yeah, isnt that the big anti-personnel law
147 2015-05-07 10:18:21 <Diablo-D3> that allows them to kill citizens without judicial review?
148 2015-05-07 10:18:35 <Diablo-D3> so you can now drone citizens just like big brother united states does
149 2015-05-07 10:18:36 <Diablo-D3> so you can now drone citizens just like big brother united states does
150 2015-05-07 10:18:49 <sinetek> Diablo-D3: maine is pretty cool tho the few times i went
151 2015-05-07 10:19:04 <sinetek> culturally kind of similar to qc if you forget politics
152 2015-05-07 10:21:27 <Diablo-D3> sinetek: only north of bangor
153 2015-05-07 10:21:33 <Diablo-D3> south of bangor its fucking mainers. everywhere.
154 2015-05-07 10:21:47 <Diablo-D3> and once you pass below augusta
155 2015-05-07 10:21:49 <CodeShark> if the french had invented high level progfamming languages: si (typede(fromage) == gruyere) donc { verserLeVin(); manger(); }
156 2015-05-07 10:21:52 <Diablo-D3> its really part of new hampshire
157 2015-05-07 10:22:05 <Diablo-D3> ACTION doesnt even pretend that the portland metro is part of maine, it just isnt
158 2015-05-07 10:22:26 <Diablo-D3> CodeShark: thats pretty cheesy
159 2015-05-07 10:22:31 <CodeShark> indeed
160 2015-05-07 10:22:42 <Diablo-D3> literally, that is the only french word I know
161 2015-05-07 10:22:42 <sinetek> lol
162 2015-05-07 10:22:52 <sinetek> omelette du fromage?
163 2015-05-07 10:23:00 <Diablo-D3> yes ;_;
164 2015-05-07 10:23:08 <Diablo-D3> fucking dexter
165 2015-05-07 10:23:14 <sinetek> :D
166 2015-05-07 10:23:15 <chmod755> sinetek, it's actually omelette au fromage
167 2015-05-07 10:23:36 <Diablo-D3> and the entirety of my spanish is like
168 2015-05-07 10:23:43 <Diablo-D3> no hablo espanol, and que?
169 2015-05-07 10:23:51 <Diablo-D3> and I actually HAD spanish in high school
170 2015-05-07 10:23:52 <chmod755> lol
171 2015-05-07 10:23:57 <Diablo-D3> the learnings, it does nothing!
172 2015-05-07 10:24:01 <sinetek> i did not :p
173 2015-05-07 10:24:13 <Diablo-D3> * me, sleeping in class
174 2015-05-07 10:24:19 <Diablo-D3> <teacher> you, why are you sleeping in class
175 2015-05-07 10:24:27 <Diablo-D3> <me> leave me alone, Im trying to learn through osmosis
176 2015-05-07 10:24:42 <Diablo-D3> <teacher> books dont make for good pillows
177 2015-05-07 10:24:53 <Diablo-D3> <me> I agree, next time Im bringing one
178 2015-05-07 10:24:58 <CodeShark> I learned to read russian in a math class :p
179 2015-05-07 10:24:59 <sinetek> i was probably programming mandelbrot programs on the Ti-83
180 2015-05-07 10:25:03 <Diablo-D3> heh
181 2015-05-07 10:25:07 <Diablo-D3> I had chess on my ti-89
182 2015-05-07 10:25:18 <Diablo-D3> fucker ate all my batteries because it'd take forever to make moves
183 2015-05-07 10:25:27 <Diablo-D3> the only winning move is to shift-on the fucker.
184 2015-05-07 10:26:17 <buZz> add external supply then
185 2015-05-07 10:26:32 <Diablo-D3> heh
186 2015-05-07 10:26:37 <Diablo-D3> I knew a kid that modified his with a AA box
187 2015-05-07 10:26:57 <Diablo-D3> Im actually looking to sell my ti-89
188 2015-05-07 10:27:01 <Diablo-D3> I never use it anymore
189 2015-05-07 10:27:07 <CodeShark> it's a museum piece
190 2015-05-07 10:27:13 <Diablo-D3> CodeShark: actually no, its not
191 2015-05-07 10:27:15 <Diablo-D3> they still sell them
192 2015-05-07 10:27:23 <Diablo-D3> same platform, but they intergrated the ti link cable into it
193 2015-05-07 10:27:24 <Diablo-D3> same platform, but they intergrated the ti link cable into it
194 2015-05-07 10:27:32 <Diablo-D3> so has the 2.5mm jack and a usb jack
195 2015-05-07 10:27:44 <Diablo-D3> best thing: 2.5mm to 3.5mm adapter
196 2015-05-07 10:27:47 <Diablo-D3> play music with it
197 2015-05-07 10:29:42 <CodeShark> I remember the HP-65? :)
198 2015-05-07 10:30:34 <sinetek> ACTION chmod 000 ./chmod755
199 2015-05-07 10:31:09 <chmod755> sinetek, ?
200 2015-05-07 10:31:30 <CodeShark> http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/HP/HP.PocketCalc.1975.102646259.pdf
201 2015-05-07 10:32:37 <sinetek> is it reverse polish notation?
202 2015-05-07 10:32:43 <CodeShark> absolutely!
203 2015-05-07 10:32:51 <sinetek> cool
204 2015-05-07 10:32:59 <CodeShark> I used to program games for it when I was a kid :p
205 2015-05-07 10:33:08 <sinetek> those should be brought back into the curriculum to weed out stupid teachers
206 2015-05-07 10:33:10 <CodeShark> should give you some idea of how old I am
207 2015-05-07 10:34:11 <CodeShark> program memory was a whole 100 steps long :)
208 2015-05-07 10:34:36 <sipa> CodeShark: how old are you, in base phi?
209 2015-05-07 10:34:40 <CodeShark> lol
210 2015-05-07 10:34:48 <sinetek> lol
211 2015-05-07 10:37:04 <CodeShark> close to 10010101.01001001 sipa
212 2015-05-07 10:37:23 <sinetek> and in base pi?
213 2015-05-07 10:38:48 <sinetek> btw there are a few programming languages in french
214 2015-05-07 10:38:49 <sinetek> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linotte_%28langage%29
215 2015-05-07 10:38:52 <sinetek> lol
216 2015-05-07 10:39:56 <CodeShark> it's unfortunate the html isn't in french
217 2015-05-07 10:42:33 <sinetek> there was an obscure one named LSD
218 2015-05-07 10:42:35 <sinetek> heh.
219 2015-05-07 10:42:41 <sipa> CodeShark: i'm around 10000001
220 2015-05-07 10:43:12 <CodeShark> although certain words are the same - action, type - and some are similar - value -> valeur, form -> forme
221 2015-05-07 10:44:10 <CodeShark> that's a little over 30, sipa?
222 2015-05-07 10:44:36 <sipa> yes
223 2015-05-07 10:44:37 <sipa> yes
224 2015-05-07 10:45:21 <sipa> 10000010 is more accurate