1 2017-10-04 03:32:05 <alexwaters> is there current documentation for the bitcoind rpc api?
 2 2017-10-04 03:32:28 <alexwaters> er up-to-date
 3 2017-10-04 03:54:45 <alexwaters> oh nvm rpc has help command
 4 2017-10-04 15:22:52 <waxwing> Bit of a forlorn question, anyone got a clue why 53b8e28a5f2bddb167a7f7a3685808ff3101fc21b737349e4a950933fb36a8c9 is not confirming (been 3 hours now, about 9 blocks or so)?
 5 2017-10-04 15:24:38 <arubi> ah testnet, weird but my node doesn't have it
 6 2017-10-04 15:24:53 <waxwing> interesting. it's on smartbits.
 7 2017-10-04 15:25:27 <waxwing> i'm looking for segwit txs in the last block and i can't find any
 8 2017-10-04 15:26:04 <arubi> do wtxid commitments exist at all?
 9 2017-10-04 15:26:07 <arubi> (let's see)
10 2017-10-04 15:27:21 <arubi> seems like that recent block don't have a commitment even, so probably not mining segwit on purpose
11 2017-10-04 15:27:57 <arubi> some do but are empty
12 2017-10-04 15:35:01 <waxwing> arubi, ah ok, of course that'd be a better way to check :)
13 2017-10-04 15:35:20 <waxwing> yeah it's kind of a worry that no one apart from me is complaining ..? or has everyone moved to a secret testnet4 and not told me?
14 2017-10-04 15:35:39 <arubi> hehe you know regtest is where all the fun happens
15 2017-10-04 15:37:03 <arubi> but really I agree.  testnet is a mess.  I'm still running the node but at this point it's only taking up resources from me :(
16 2017-10-04 15:37:46 <waxwing> for some things it's just much better to have a real network
17 2017-10-04 15:38:39 <waxwing> not least because you actually want to do stuff with other people :) (in this case was just trying out a lightning node funding, oh well!)
18 2017-10-04 15:38:46 <waxwing> more like tortoise network at this rate
19 2017-10-04 15:39:16 <arubi> maybe a secret testnet isn't a bad idea
20 2017-10-04 16:59:40 <waxwing> arubi, confirmed, only took 5 hours! what is this, bcash?
21 2017-10-04 17:00:31 <arubi> obviously it's better than bcash because the chain is longer, making it the real bitcoin
22 2017-10-04 22:48:03 <vrs> I run bitcoin on debian testing and when I try to start either of bitcoind or bitcoin-qt, I get an error along the lines of bitcoind: symbol lookup error: bitcoind: undefined symbol: _ZNK8UniValue7findKeyERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEE
23 2017-10-04 22:48:24 <vrs> is this a known bug? it feels like it should affect more people
24 2017-10-04 22:50:14 <vrs> I've already looked for UniValue and it seems to be in bitcoin's own codebase, not something like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4799 which was a library problem
25 2017-10-04 22:56:44 <vrs> strace -e trace=file tells me it's loading a bunch of libraries, but the last lib is different depending on the binary I call, while the error is mostly the same
26 2017-10-04 22:59:30 <vrs> https://pastebin.com/fsZYhQDj are the errors I get
27 2017-10-04 23:05:56 <vrs> ah, I was using bitcoin from unstable while my system is testing
28 2017-10-04 23:07:51 <vrs> but how do I get a proper bitcoind on debian testing then
29 2017-10-04 23:13:24 <esotericnonsense> vrs: do the binaries from bitcoin.org work? you could try compiling from source otherwise
30 2017-10-04 23:13:38 <vrs> this is specifically what I want to avoid when using debian
31 2017-10-04 23:13:45 <esotericnonsense> haha
32 2017-10-04 23:13:53 <esotericnonsense> this is specifically the reason that I stopped using debian
33 2017-10-04 23:13:56 <esotericnonsense> :P
34 2017-10-04 23:14:35 <esotericnonsense> (because getting a reasonably updated version of everything entailed either using unstable or compiling)
35 2017-10-04 23:14:35 <vrs> I mean it's not that big a deal, I have other compiled stuff running, but the fewer packages I have to update manually, the better
36 2017-10-04 23:15:16 <esotericnonsense> i think bitcoin is a unique case because updates should require more manual involvement than with other software anyway
37 2017-10-04 23:15:28 <esotericnonsense> (i'm against autoupdate mechanisms for bitcoin)
38 2017-10-04 23:15:50 <vrs> I'm a casual user, it just serves as a backend to armory in my case
39 2017-10-04 23:16:30 <esotericnonsense> there's a PPA that is maintained for ubuntu, is there a way to use PPA's with debian? (it's been probably 5+ years since I last used deb)
40 2017-10-04 23:16:48 <vrs> yes I can just add it but that's icky
41 2017-10-04 23:17:32 <esotericnonsense> icky in what way? you want the latest upstream rather than what debian is currently packaging, seems like a reasonable way to do it
42 2017-10-04 23:17:48 <vrs> it's mixing distros
43 2017-10-04 23:17:55 <esotericnonsense> hehehe
44 2017-10-04 23:18:21 <vrs> it's Bad, it's why you get symbol lookup errors like the one I did
45 2017-10-04 23:18:26 <esotericnonsense> yeah
46 2017-10-04 23:18:45 <esotericnonsense> if they don't provide a stable backport and others don't work, i don't see a way around compiling it