1 2017-12-20 02:49:52 <Exaeta> Did bitcoin cash "steal" part of the bitcoin source code? If so, what part(s)? I'm curious about this allegation and whether there is truth to it.
  2 2017-12-20 02:50:29 <AndBobsYourUncle> Exaeta, are you familiar with GitHub?
  3 2017-12-20 02:50:49 <Exaeta> AndBobsYourUncle: yes, I have an account and use it
  4 2017-12-20 02:51:05 <AndBobsYourUncle> Ok. So you're familiar with what a "fork" is on GitHub?
  5 2017-12-20 02:51:17 <Exaeta> AndBobsYourUncle: I heard that it was forked, but I don't think it would be "stolen" unless the copyright license was violated.
  6 2017-12-20 02:51:26 <phantomcircuit> Exaeta, it's 99.99999999% a clone, which the codes license allows for
  7 2017-12-20 02:51:29 <AndBobsYourUncle> Okay, then it's just semantics you're after
  8 2017-12-20 02:51:52 <Exaeta> Ok so bitcoin cash did not steal any code. They just forked it.
  9 2017-12-20 02:51:55 <Exaeta> legally
 10 2017-12-20 02:52:51 <Exaeta> or was there some license violation?
 11 2017-12-20 02:53:20 <buZz> hmm, i remember something about bitcoin abc editting copyright notices?
 12 2017-12-20 02:53:30 <buZz> but it was fixed eventually i think
 13 2017-12-20 02:53:37 <Syde> there was no violation.  Pretty much every alt coin out there has heritage in bitcoin core code
 14 2017-12-20 02:53:48 <AndBobsYourUncle> I believe you most likely heard someone say the code was stolen, when they meant it was forked.
 15 2017-12-20 02:54:06 <Exaeta> AndBobsYourUncle: yes
 16 2017-12-20 02:54:24 <Exaeta> AndBobsYourUncle: and this person was banning people from #bitcoin for saying that bitcoin cash was not stolen or something
 17 2017-12-20 02:54:32 <AndBobsYourUncle> Or perhaps they meant this definition of "steal": "dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own"
 18 2017-12-20 02:54:53 <AndBobsYourUncle> Or "an idea taken from another work"
 19 2017-12-20 02:55:51 <AndBobsYourUncle> Words are funny things.
 20 2017-12-20 02:57:40 <cncr04s> core devs need to help us fight this bcash menace, if they keep being lax they will win
 21 2017-12-20 03:00:04 <Exaeta> cncr04s: Fighting bitcoin cash is against the spirit of open source
 22 2017-12-20 03:08:18 <deego> Exaeta: you think bitcoin cash is a open source project and seem to think it's community based.  you ignore, at your own peril, that it's a shill project with no community support. Put your money where your mouth is, and go all in on bitcoin cash. Prepare to be surprised
 23 2017-12-20 08:01:12 <deego> Is it safe to delete mempool.dat (temporarily) when the core client is stopped. I assume the client will recreate it as needed?
 24 2017-12-20 08:01:17 <deego> (2) does it contain any sensitive information?
 25 2017-12-20 08:01:25 <Sentineo> it is safe
 26 2017-12-20 08:01:43 <Sentineo> just the old mempool txes
 27 2017-12-20 08:03:29 <deego> ah, thanks Sentineo
 28 2017-12-20 08:03:59 <deego> btw, i don't need to keep it secure, right? no personal information, right?
 29 2017-12-20 08:04:24 <Sentineo> right
 30 2017-12-20 08:04:28 <deego> ty
 31 2017-12-20 08:04:37 <Sentineo> the only thing you need to keep secure is wallet.dat
 32 2017-12-20 08:05:10 <deego> excellent, thanks again
 33 2017-12-20 08:05:31 <Sentineo> np
 34 2017-12-20 09:04:43 <dabura667> Anyone try setting up libbitcoin-server to serve an old DarkWallet client? I have a guy that needs to get his coins out, and I've decided to set a server up... I'm guessing once I get fully synced with the blockchain I just need to enter the server's IP address into the DarkWallet client?... if anyone has any knowledge let me know, thanks.
 35 2017-12-20 09:12:35 <Sentineo> hm maybe try with the dash folks, it used to be darkwallet
 36 2017-12-20 10:55:37 <Bethoven1> Hi, some on who can help send me some btc to 18K9LfYqoCBkpnVZRodkfRtZCxRqYr12rm
 37 2017-12-20 14:08:35 <molz> Sentineo, darkwallet has nothing to do with dash
 38 2017-12-20 14:12:34 <wumpus> darkwallet was Amir's project to build a private wallet for bitcoin, but as far as I know development was suddenly abandoned at some point, while still in beta
 39 2017-12-20 14:13:18 <wumpus> that doesn't really help setting it up unfortuantely; I never managed to do so, lots and lots of dependencies
 40 2017-12-20 14:13:49 <wumpus> might be less work to figure out how the wallet format works and import the private keys into something else
 41 2017-12-20 14:28:05 <Sentineo> ah sorry hm I always though so. Thanks molz & wumpus !
 42 2017-12-20 15:15:47 <ren0v0> Hey, how do i see transaction size in bitcoin-qt ?  Fee section says "warning fee estimation is currently not possible", so i need to know the TX size to calculate it properly right? I already have one stuck transaction
 43 2017-12-20 15:17:10 <Sentineo> let me startup my qt
 44 2017-12-20 15:17:12 <Sentineo> will tell you
 45 2017-12-20 15:17:16 <ren0v0> Sentineo, cheers
 46 2017-12-20 15:17:29 <ren0v0> just took me 4hours to sync 10 days :D
 47 2017-12-20 15:17:48 <Sentineo> ren0v0: so you go to the transactions tab and right click on it -> pick show details
 48 2017-12-20 15:18:16 <Sentineo> 'show transaction details' it is
 49 2017-12-20 15:18:28 <Sentineo> is shows the size at the end
 50 2017-12-20 15:18:50 <ren0v0> I'm talking about a new transaction though, I need to know what fee to put in
 51 2017-12-20 15:19:39 <ren0v0> all these sites for fee calculations say something like 650 sat/B, but how do i know the size of my intended transaction?
 52 2017-12-20 15:20:20 <Sentineo> well for a new one I usually disable broadcasting txes
 53 2017-12-20 15:20:22 <Sentineo> and double check
 54 2017-12-20 15:20:38 <Sentineo> in that case the tx is in the transactions and I check it
 55 2017-12-20 15:20:41 <Sentineo> or use RPC
 56 2017-12-20 15:20:48 <ren0v0> :O
 57 2017-12-20 15:21:09 <ren0v0> that isn't very user friendly :D
 58 2017-12-20 15:21:24 <ren0v0> Any idea why the fee estimation feature is broken ?
 59 2017-12-20 15:21:26 <Sentineo> but tell me
 60 2017-12-20 15:21:42 <Sentineo> why do you need to know the size if you are setting up the tx fee in sat/B?
 61 2017-12-20 15:21:52 <Sentineo> it is per byte, so whatever your size is, it does not matter
 62 2017-12-20 15:23:15 <ren0v0> hmm, that's a good point :D
 63 2017-12-20 15:24:11 <Sentineo> so perhpas that is why it is not shown :P - although I agree would be nice to see it like some other wallet show the size
 64 2017-12-20 15:24:26 <ren0v0> so if these calculators say 655 sat/B, thats 0.00000655 right, and 0.00655000 /kB  ?
 65 2017-12-20 15:25:00 <Sentineo> yes
 66 2017-12-20 15:25:05 <Sentineo> 1kB = 1000B
 67 2017-12-20 15:25:15 <ren0v0> just seems scary, as i dont know the size of the TX
 68 2017-12-20 15:25:17 <Sentineo> and 1 sat = 10e-8 Btc
 69 2017-12-20 15:25:24 <ren0v0> what is a typical TX size?
 70 2017-12-20 15:25:34 <Sentineo> depends from your inputs
 71 2017-12-20 15:25:41 <ren0v0> even if this was 1kB thats $110 :D
 72 2017-12-20 15:25:41 <Sentineo> 300B would be a bigger one
 73 2017-12-20 15:25:49 <ren0v0> ok
 74 2017-12-20 15:26:17 <Sentineo> do not roget to check RBF
 75 2017-12-20 15:26:30 <ren0v0> so, now i have to hope the price goes back to 17,300 because i purchase the coins to pay this invoice at that price :D
 76 2017-12-20 15:26:42 <ren0v0> and, no idea where my btc is that i sent with too low a fee :D
 77 2017-12-20 15:27:01 <ren0v0> RBF?
 78 2017-12-20 15:27:31 <Sentineo> request replace by fee
 79 2017-12-20 15:27:39 <ren0v0> ah i read about this actually, problem is the TX was for a bitpay invoice which has now expired
 80 2017-12-20 15:27:42 <Sentineo> you can increase the fee later if you want it pushed
 81 2017-12-20 17:09:43 <cluelessperson> SopaXorzTaker is requesting to be unquietted in here.
 82 2017-12-20 17:09:55 <cluelessperson> not sure who would handle that. /over
 83 2017-12-20 19:44:30 <nikitasius> folks, where i can get some free bitcoins on testnet? Need 1+1 BTC on 2 addresses. (testnet!)
 84 2017-12-20 19:45:20 <arubi> google bitcoin testnet faucet.  there are a few
 85 2017-12-20 19:45:43 <nikitasius> arubi: already googled. they send 1.3, 0.8 0.2 etc.
 86 2017-12-20 19:46:10 <arubi> you can send 1.0 back to yourself, or you could post your addresses
 87 2017-12-20 19:46:51 <nikitasius> yep.. i was thinking about this too. well.. wanted to work with round numbers mostly :) but okay :)
 88 2017-12-20 19:47:13 <arubi> well, it won't stay a round number for very long
 89 2017-12-20 19:47:26 <arubi> just treat the number as discrete satoshis
 90 2017-12-20 19:47:58 <arubi> so 0.2 is 20 million satoshis, no problem right :)
 91 2017-12-20 19:50:22 <nikitasius> :)
 92 2017-12-20 19:51:28 <nikitasius> anyway it;s more friendly that ETH (in eth they are in hex)
 93 2017-12-20 19:52:19 <arubi> anywhere it matters, amounts are in hex in bitcoin too
 94 2017-12-20 19:52:34 <arubi> they're also constant length
 95 2017-12-20 19:52:59 <nikitasius> RPC return in "float"
 96 2017-12-20 19:53:03 <arubi> in wallets and such, it's in decimals
 97 2017-12-20 19:53:11 <nikitasius> yep, decimals i mean :)
 98 2017-12-20 19:53:13 <arubi> json doesn't care :)
 99 2017-12-20 19:53:34 <arubi> rpc, gui wallets, websites.. right, all use that
100 2017-12-20 19:53:41 <nikitasius> i parse with gson and in ETH all in "text"
101 2017-12-20 19:54:13 <nikitasius> well.. i will wait confirmation for my TX and group all in single
102 2017-12-20 19:54:20 <arubi> well, hopefully you'll multiply everything by 100000000 before doing any balance stuff :)
103 2017-12-20 20:10:42 <nikitasius> arubi: yep. and i use BigDecimal (in case of Java)